Disclaimer: I have no particular ill feelings towards the socialphy team or the site per se, it is an objective review and observation about the peculiarities of this site.
Why Socialphy Might Fail b y n a n o d i c k
The creators seem to be overlooking the key elements of a social media, focusing too much in the media technicalities but neglecting the social intricacies. Socialphy is a de facto extension of Taringa, its current members already have a very particular humor, expressions and idiosyncrasies which are very specific to a certain geodemography. As it often happens in the business world, the more often neglected and yet vital element is: the culture.
This Socialphy/Taringa linksharing format created by itself a very unique culture around it. But they neglected that the change of the design would also change the way that people could express themselves. For instance, the quoting boxes allowed its users to create "escaleras" (nested boxes) which had a very visual impact as a means of protest or just for the sheer fun of it, but now with the new web redesign that's became impossible. Graphical memes created by Taringueros (Taringa users) aren't really possible to be shared with people outside that circle, some of them are incomprehensible even among their own countrymen who aren't familiar with Taringa.
Although people usually protest when there are changes, they tend to end up adapting themselves (albeit reluctantly) to new environments, as long as the changes are not drastic. That's the very source of evolution in our natural world. What web developers must not neglect is that it also happens in the digital world, as long as its users are humans. There have been researches about the social perception of changes using PET Scans and fMRIs to monitor our brain activity, and it's been revealed that changes are perceived as "painful" in our brains... when we say that changes are a "pain in the ass" might not be purely a figurative speech! That explains why it is so hard to adapt to any kind of changes.
As I mentioned before, cultural changes impacts also in the corporate world, for example: when there are mergers and acquisitions (fusiones y adquisiciones de empresas) the clash of cultures between both organizations can be very stressful and the improper dealing with this clash might end up bringing down the parent company to the ground. It is now a given in the industry that the organizational culture is very important and delicate. Different groups prefer not joining a group they feel they don't belong, and it is a very known phenomena in sociology and in social psychology.
Where I am getting with all this? The obvious aspirations of its creators (The Botbols brothers and the Jap fellow) are to create a social media in English leveraging from the successful Argentine Taringa, but with its core initial members being Argentines or Latinos it seems that they might be shooting themselves in their feet. The founders are trying to entice native English speaking users to Socialphy which already has a very unique well-established culture, nurtured by Taringueros who are bringing all their cultural baggage from Taringa, along with their poorly translated posts, jokes and graphical memes that only someone with a Hispanic background would understand. New native English users would not only have a difficult time adapting themselves to a drastic new environment (layout, features, rules), but also they would have a hard time understanding the new culture (inside jokes/memes, language barriers, idiosyncrasies). The key question is: will they really get the hang of it before getting tired and fed up?
If everything is left as it is, the probable outcome is that it will end up failing, becoming an interesting case study about how neglecting the sociocultural variable is imprudent when you are designing a social network. It would be interesting to see how this experience turns out to be.
Yeah, that sucks big time. The comments are sometimes more valuable than the post itself... that's something to be noted.
I was talking about how important for websites is to know the right time to evolve and expand, and why it's important for this site to have "celebrities" by its own and not inherited from T!... it was a long comment with a long explanation and some examples of the evolution of other web services, but I don't feel like explain it all over again.
Oh, well :roll:
I was talking about how important for websites is to know the right time to evolve and expand, and why it's important for this site to have "celebrities" by its own and not inherited from T!... it was a long comment with a long explanation and some examples of the evolution of other web services, but I don't feel like explain it all over again.
absolutely correct, I've noticed that the sites is like a bad translation of Taringa, and also users are like playing in here. Maybe it's not a complete failure but it will take some time for Socialphy to get it's own culture and we will see that after some month of growth. I'll take your idea in consideration for my blog's translation. Good post men
absolutely correct, I've noticed that the sites is like a bad translation of Taringa, and also users are like playing in here. Maybe it's not a complete failure but it will take some time for Socialphy to get it's own culture and we will see that after some month of growth. I'll take your idea in consideration for my blog's translation. Good post men
I agree that Socialphy needs to find it's own personality... right now because the site is still in beta the users are mostly from Taringa, but hopefully in the future we will have a more diverse group of users and Socialphy can differentiate itself from Taringa more.
Also, no one is going to delete this post, everyone has a right to express their opinions as long as it's done in a respectful, intelligent way!
I agree that Socialphy needs to find it's own personality... right now because the site is still in beta the users are mostly from Taringa, but hopefully in the future we will have a more diverse group of users and Socialphy can differentiate itself from Taringa more.
Also, no one is going to delete this post, everyone has a right to express their opinions as long as it's done in a respectful, intelligent way!
It will take time for Socialphy to develope its own culture. Remember we just started. Eventually we will have our own special universal "melting pot" of jokes- people who are native speakers of different lanuages from all over the world. A "Taringa" that speaks to the whole world. It will take a lot of time. Now if we want this to be a good site we have to make sure we use English properly and use Taringa if we don't speak any English. Also, avoid google translate! Thanks for helping to make Socialphy great. We are all entitled to our opinions of course! But do not use Spanish on this website. Make it a place where everyone can learn something!
It will take time for Socialphy to develope its own culture. Remember we just started. Eventually we will have our own special universal "melting pot" of jokes- people who are native speakers of different lanuages from all over the world. A "Taringa" that speaks to the whole world. It will take a lot of time. Now if we want this to be a good site we have to make sure we use English properly and use Taringa if we don't speak any English. Also, avoid google translate! Thanks for helping to make Socialphy great. We are all entitled to our opinions of course! But do not use Spanish on this website. Make it a place where everyone can learn something!
I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy. :)
I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy.
[quote=Paola]I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy. :)[/quote]
I agree Paola! Don't worry, we aren't going to allow those types of comments. It's all about respect here ;)
I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy.
I agree Paola! Don't worry, we aren't going to allow those types of comments. It's all about respect here
Exactly, the atmoshpere here is still pure, virgin. No hard trolls or stuff like that, PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY.
Exactly, the atmoshpere here is still pure, virgin. No hard trolls or stuff like that, PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY.
@MrParka23, virginal and pure... heh. Where's the fun in that? lol
Filthy and skanky is the way to go! Woohoo!
@simonacalbi I guess that if this stays online long enough it will end up evolving in its own way... But having a proper grammar is not enough, my point is precisely that: having it populated by [i]taringueros[/i] made it just harder for international growth.
Btw, @MegStone, I have only one account in Socialphy. You'll find many users using my avatar or borrowing my nickname.
@MrParka23, virginal and pure... heh. Where's the fun in that? lol Filthy and skanky is the way to go! Woohoo! @simonacalbi I guess that if this stays online long enough it will end up evolving in its own way... But having a proper grammar is not enough, my point is precisely that: having it populated by taringueros made it just harder for international growth. Btw, @MegStone, I have only one account in Socialphy. You'll find many users using my avatar or borrowing my nickname.
That's a good point, however I assume it's too soon to tell. Probably it would be smart to set as the first goal, within a rather short term, a website in which "real" english is spoken, because that's precisely the essence of Socialphy. I guess Spanish speakers from Taringa are still excited and curious about the "novelty", and they will eventually, either get bored or take over S!.
That's a good point, however I assume it's too soon to tell. Probably it would be smart to set as the first goal, within a rather short term, a website in which "real" english is spoken, because that's precisely the essence of Socialphy. I guess Spanish speakers from Taringa are still excited and curious about the "novelty", and they will eventually, either get bored or take over S!.
But the Memes started in USA, not in latinoamerica, all the "forevealone" "cereal guy" etc came from there.
Besides, most of the Trolls don't speak English, they barely speak Spanish.
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YO YO Y O YOFINALLY SOME GOOD STUFF HERE!!!!!! And btw, I also think it will fail... like, who will enter here? they have facebook and 4chan... and this is like a hi5...
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YO YO Y O YOFINALLY SOME GOOD STUFF HERE!!!!!! And btw, I also think it will fail... like, who will enter here? they have facebook and 4chan... and this is like a hi5...
@CardanVP
The memes are originated from everywhere. The popular misconception carried by hispanic users is that "memes" are any funny image. That's actually not what it is, it is way bigger than that. It actually describes a social phenomenon that becomes popular in the Internet. (memes se pronuncia "[i]miims[/i]", por cierto)
The proper translation of "[b]internet meme[/b]" to Spanish is "[b]fenómeno de internet[/b]".
The "all your base belong to us", the Star Wars kid, the NumaNuma guy, "in soviet russia..." jokes, Chuck Norris jokes, Hitler subtitled, Nyan Cat, "Will it blend?", "trololo", even the snapshot about the guy who was supposedly at the WTC with the plane coming towards him in the back... all of them are "memes".
[i]Peluchín[/i] and [i]Lexotanil[/i] are by themselves memes born in Taringa, becoming a rich source of parodies and jokes.
Marito's "ah re loco", "hola vengo a flotar" (Carlitox), "a ponerla" (Mono Mario), "la quiero con mayonesa sin ketchup... etc.." (Alejo), [b]all of them are Argentine [u]internet memes[/u][/b].
More recent and more widespread native memes are "Tano Pasman" (ISABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL) or "Con quinse peso' me hago un alto guiso".
[i]Básicamente, si algo (ya sea frase, persona, personaje, broma, video, dibujo, lo que sea) se vuelve viral, está en la boca de todos, y surgió de internet, es un [b]fenómeno de internet[/b], o en inglés, [i]internet meme[/i]
Btw, regarding to your second comment: You are thinking about the trolls in Taringa, don't understimate the power of the international Trolls. [i]IF[/i] this site ever becomes popular, the hoarding by English speaking trolls will be inevitable.
@CardanVP The memes are originated from everywhere. The popular misconception carried by hispanic users is that "memes" are any funny image. That's actually not what it is, it is way bigger than that. It actually describes a social phenomenon that becomes popular in the Internet. (memes se pronuncia "miims", por cierto) The proper translation of "internet meme" to Spanish is "fenómeno de internet". The "all your base belong to us", the Star Wars kid, the NumaNuma guy, "in soviet russia..." jokes, Chuck Norris jokes, Hitler subtitled, Nyan Cat, "Will it blend?", "trololo", even the snapshot about the guy who was supposedly at the WTC with the plane coming towards him in the back... all of them are "memes".
Peluchín and Lexotanil are by themselves memes born in Taringa, becoming a rich source of parodies and jokes. Marito's "ah re loco", "hola vengo a flotar" (Carlitox), "a ponerla" (Mono Mario), "la quiero con mayonesa sin ketchup... etc.." (Alejo), all of them are Argentine internet memes. More recent and more widespread native memes are "Tano Pasman" (ISABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL) or "Con quinse peso' me hago un alto guiso".
Básicamente, si algo (ya sea frase, persona, personaje, broma, video, dibujo, lo que sea) se vuelve viral, está en la boca de todos, y surgió de internet, es un fenómeno de internet, o en inglés, internet meme
Btw, regarding to your second comment: You are thinking about the trolls in Taringa, don't understimate the power of the international Trolls. IF this site ever becomes popular, the hoarding by English speaking trolls will be inevitable.
[quote=MegStone][quote=Paola]I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy. :)[/quote]
I agree Paola! Don't worry, we aren't going to allow those types of comments. It's all about respect here ;)[/quote]
and that's how should be ;)
I just hope Socialphy doesn't become the "new Taringa!", 'cause I kind of like the atmosphere here. Users comment on your posts nice and polite, opposite to the comments in Taringa!, where the users only comment to attack or insult your work. I like Socialphy.
I agree Paola! Don't worry, we aren't going to allow those types of comments. It's all about respect here
and that's how should be
There is like no native English speakers here, we're very,very few I mean just because you have the US flag on your profile that doesn't mean English is your first language. most of them have a hard time writing it let alone making jokes on it.
There is like no native English speakers here, we're very,very few I mean just because you have the US flag on your profile that doesn't mean English is your first language. most of them have a hard time writing it let alone making jokes on it.
I trickeled in from Taringa, I hardly ever use that account. I agree with everyone it will take a bit of time for Socialphy to find its own voice and cease to be a copy for Taringa. That really heavily depends on the users of Socialphy to come up with new and ideas. I kind of like the “feel” more here people can have fun and yet post informative information with out being rude.
As far as social psychology ( when dealing with a group), that’s the great thing about the internet you can actually increase your social circle with more easy than you normaly would via the traditional method of meeting a person in a coffee house. But comparing a corprate merger to a social website I think is a far strech. It’s not like Taringa is mergering with a company in Japan where the customs of business and social interaction is quite different. Any who that’s my 2 cents…
I trickeled in from Taringa, I hardly ever use that account. I agree with everyone it will take a bit of time for Socialphy to find its own voice and cease to be a copy for Taringa. That really heavily depends on the users of Socialphy to come up with new and ideas. I kind of like the “feel” more here people can have fun and yet post informative information with out being rude. As far as social psychology ( when dealing with a group), that’s the great thing about the internet you can actually increase your social circle with more easy than you normaly would via the traditional method of meeting a person in a coffee house. But comparing a corprate merger to a social website I think is a far strech. It’s not like Taringa is mergering with a company in Japan where the customs of business and social interaction is quite different. Any who that’s my 2 cents…
[quote=Buddy86]There is like no native English speakers here, we're very,very few I mean just because you have the US flag on your profile that doesn't mean English is your first language. most of them have a hard time writing it let alone making jokes on it.[/quote]
I'll have to disagree with you there. Knowing and understanding English means you don't have to be a native speaker you just have to have a pretty good idea of how idioms or colloquialisms work in English. Plus you don't have to be a native English speaker to make grammar mistakes or not understand a joke. I've seen plenty of Brits not get a joke from over the pond and vice versa.
There is like no native English speakers here, we're very,very few I mean just because you have the US flag on your profile that doesn't mean English is your first language. most of them have a hard time writing it let alone making jokes on it.
I'll have to disagree with you there. Knowing and understanding English means you don't have to be a native speaker you just have to have a pretty good idea of how idioms or colloquialisms work in English. Plus you don't have to be a native English speaker to make grammar mistakes or not understand a joke. I've seen plenty of Brits not get a joke from over the pond and vice versa.
but those ''memes'', ''troll-face, FUUUU!, forever alone'' are not originally from 4chan?
fist of all, memes are international... I've never seen any joke about taringa or anything related to it, so if you don't like it you are free to leave. the site will continue growing anyway as it's been growing since it was created
fist of all, memes are international... I've never seen any joke about taringa or anything related to it, so if you don't like it you are free to leave. the site will continue growing anyway as it's been growing since it was created
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auto-repost? .__.
I don't even remember what I wrote
The comments are sometimes more valuable than the post itself... that's something to be noted.
Oh, well
Precisely, I totally agree with you.
+10
http://www.socialphy.com/nanopene
Also, no one is going to delete this post, everyone has a right to express their opinions as long as it's done in a respectful, intelligent way!
I agree Paola! Don't worry, we aren't going to allow those types of comments. It's all about respect here
Filthy and skanky is the way to go! Woohoo!
@simonacalbi I guess that if this stays online long enough it will end up evolving in its own way... But having a proper grammar is not enough, my point is precisely that: having it populated by taringueros made it just harder for international growth.
Btw, @MegStone, I have only one account in Socialphy. You'll find many users using my avatar or borrowing my nickname.
The memes are originated from everywhere. The popular misconception carried by hispanic users is that "memes" are any funny image. That's actually not what it is, it is way bigger than that. It actually describes a social phenomenon that becomes popular in the Internet. (memes se pronuncia "miims", por cierto)
The proper translation of "internet meme" to Spanish is "fenómeno de internet".
The "all your base belong to us", the Star Wars kid, the NumaNuma guy, "in soviet russia..." jokes, Chuck Norris jokes, Hitler subtitled, Nyan Cat, "Will it blend?", "trololo", even the snapshot about the guy who was supposedly at the WTC with the plane coming towards him in the back... all of them are "memes".
Peluchín and Lexotanil are by themselves memes born in Taringa, becoming a rich source of parodies and jokes.
Marito's "ah re loco", "hola vengo a flotar" (Carlitox), "a ponerla" (Mono Mario), "la quiero con mayonesa sin ketchup... etc.." (Alejo), all of them are Argentine internet memes.
More recent and more widespread native memes are "Tano Pasman" (ISABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL) or "Con quinse peso' me hago un alto guiso".
Básicamente, si algo (ya sea frase, persona, personaje, broma, video, dibujo, lo que sea) se vuelve viral, está en la boca de todos, y surgió de internet, es un fenómeno de internet, o en inglés, internet meme
Btw, regarding to your second comment: You are thinking about the trolls in Taringa, don't understimate the power of the international Trolls. IF this site ever becomes popular, the hoarding by English speaking trolls will be inevitable.
and that's how should be
As far as social psychology ( when dealing with a group), that’s the great thing about the internet you can actually increase your social circle with more easy than you normaly would via the traditional method of meeting a person in a coffee house. But comparing a corprate merger to a social website I think is a far strech. It’s not like Taringa is mergering with a company in Japan where the customs of business and social interaction is quite different. Any who that’s my 2 cents…
I'll have to disagree with you there. Knowing and understanding English means you don't have to be a native speaker you just have to have a pretty good idea of how idioms or colloquialisms work in English. Plus you don't have to be a native English speaker to make grammar mistakes or not understand a joke. I've seen plenty of Brits not get a joke from over the pond and vice versa.